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Old 08-28-2014
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Minneapolis Star Tribune Article....

WHAT. A. MESS.... but, I'm very happy to be seeing the band next weekend!!

http://www.startribune.com/entertain...1&c=y#continue

As his old band, now led by Gary Louris, carries on again without him, former Jayhawks co-frontman Mark Olson talks about the issues that led to their rupture.
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Gary Louris and Mark Olson, founders of the Jayhawks, when they reunited in 2009 around the duo album, "Ready for the Flood," a prelude to 2011's Jayhawks album "Mockingbird Time."

Photo: JEFF WHEELER, Star Tribune



When Minnesota’s best-known songwriting duo first split up in 1995, the story goes that they hugged it out and went their separate ways. The second time, however, was an all-out mess.

“In front of a bunch of people, Gary said, ‘Why don’t you hit me?’ ” Mark Olson recalled of the last time he saw his Jayhawks bandmate, Gary Louris, following a 2012 festival gig in Spain.

The Jayhawks had spent the previous year and a half touring with Olson at the center microphone onstage, singing harmoniously with Louris, but offstage they traveled separately and eventually suffered a final confrontation at tour’s end.

Two years later — as the Jayhawks carry on without Olson — the original founder of the critically lauded twang-rock band is still stewing over what went down between him and his former partner. Widely credited for sparking the late-’90s alt-country boom and influencing everyone from Wilco and Bon Iver to the Dixie Chicks, the pair’s warm sing-along songs such as “Blue” and “Waiting for the Sun” remain local radio staples 20 years later.

Olson’s beefs include rather typical band arguments over money and songwriting credits as well as Louris’ publicly acknowledged substance-abuse problems — he completed a recovery program at the end of 2012.

Louris declined to comment on specifics for this article. For Jayhawks fans, the clear news is this: The co-leaders of the band that Rolling Stone heralded as “Minnesotan to the bone” will almost certainly never perform or record together again.

“I don’t ever want to see Gary Louris again, nor do I want him singing my songs,” said Olson, who claims that Louris promised not to tour as the Jayhawks without him, a pre-condition to their 2011-2012 reunion.

Just as he did in 1995, though, Louris is leading the band on tour again without Olson. The shows — including a European trek in July and an upcoming two-night First Avenue stand Sept. 5-6 — are timed to reissues of the group’s three Louris-led 1997-2003 albums.

“I have the utmost respect for Mark Olson,” is all Louris said in a statement to the Star Tribune. “We have shared many great years together as a duo and with the Jayhawks, and I look back fondly on the legacy we have left behind.”

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“A dream team sundered,” is how esteemed Rolling Stone writer David Fricke described it after Olson first quit the Jayhawks, “stranding his group in what-might-have-been land.”

The Jayhawks toured hard in 1995 but actually ended up in debt off their widely acclaimed second album for Rick Rubin’s American Recordings label, “Tomorrow the Green Grass.” Disappointed, Olson essentially opted to start a new life. He married fellow singer/songwriter Victoria Williams that year (they divorced in 2006) and moved to Joshua Tree, Calif. (where he still resides).

“I had just bought my first house and just gotten married — two huge things,” he recalled in a 2009 interview. He and Williams would later tour and record together as the Original Harmony Creek Dippers, but he would refuse requests for Jayhawks tunes at their shows.

Olson finally sang his Jayhawks songs again in 2005, when he and Louris reunited without the group for an acoustic tour. They did so again in 2009 after issuing the folky duo album “Ready for the Flood.” It looked like the old bandmates had formed a new bond after a decade apart.

Louris said in 2009, “What we do now sounds a whole lot like the Jayhawks I knew [early on], when it was just Mark and I writing songs and recording demos on acoustic guitars.”

Olson now says things started to go south when the Jayhawks re-entered the picture in 2010, leading up to their 2011 reunion album “Mockingbird Time” and subsequent tour.

He said he made it clear to Louris he had no intention of putting the old band back together and getting “into a situation where things are out of my control again.” The Jayhawks name is owned by Olson, Louris and co-founding bassist Marc Perlman. Two of them can outvote the third on business matters.

Perlman, who carried on the band with Louris after Olson quit, declined to comment for this article.

Another reason Olson said he resisted the idea of making a new Jayhawks record: He had his own album to promote, “Many Colored Kite,” issued by Rykodisc in July 2010. But that’s when his future wife, a Norwegian woman named Ingunn Ringvold — who also performed with him — ran into visa issues.

Ringvold was stopped at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and sent back to Norway by immigration officials who said she illegally entered the country to work as an entertainer. Facing about $20,000 in legal fees and unable to perform with Ringvold in the United States for more than two years, Olson said he felt forced into making the Jayhawks record and touring behind it for the money.

He became further embittered during work on the record, claiming he did “95 percent” of the songwriting on “Mockingbird Time.” At that time Louris was addicted to painkillers, as he has publicly acknowledged. Olson also contends the band overspent greatly on tour expenses, such as a bus, “trying to live like rock stars.” Olson says he refused to travel on the bus and drove by himself from gig to gig on the 2011-12 tours.

He wished he had called it off sooner, he said, but “there had been the investment and there were a lot of other people involved. The forward motion had started, and it was hard to stop once it got started.

“Because of my relationship with [Louris] for many years as a songwriting partner, I trusted him and went along with everything.”

• • •

Talking from his house in Joshua Tree this winter, Olson still sounded deeply rattled over his former band and songwriting partner but content to move on with his music career.

Ringvold’s visa issues have been cleared. Now married, the couple split their time between California and Norway, where Olson has been studying the language. They played some stateside shows last fall and did several in Europe, where Olson has enjoyed greater success as a solo artist. He has a new album in the can, “Goodbye Lizelle,” which will arrive Sept. 26 via the German label Glitterhouse.

Olson’s manager, Michael Nieves, said, “Mark is moving on, but he’s still very upset. He’s especially unhappy Gary is once again out there doing Jayhawks shows without him, which he told Mark and me personally he would never do again.”

Olson doesn’t deny that the 2011-2012 Jayhawks reunion tour helped raise his profile again. He still regrets doing it, though.

“[We] started getting our life back together” once the tour ended in 2012, he said. “That’s when I had time to reflect. That’s when I started to call on my family [in Minnesota] and said, ‘You guys aren’t going to believe this … ”

Louris, too, has moved on. He and the revamped Jayhawks are playing only a handful of the songs Olson co-wrote on tour. They returned from Europe in time to play HazelFest Aug. 2 at Minnesota’s famed Hazelden treatment facility, an event that celebrates addiction recovery.

“A lot of things kind of hit the wall” from 2010 to 2012, Louris said in a video interview to promote HazelFest. “I was so self-centered. Everything was about me. I couldn’t function. I think I probably had a mental breakdown.”

Olson applauded Louris’ recovery efforts but said, “The precepts [of rehab] are you go about making amends, and nothing like that has occurred.”



Staff writer Brandon Stahl contributed to this report.

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I have only one thing to say: the fact that Bon Iver (a "band" that can't even spell its own goddamned name right) is mentioned in the same breath as The Jayhawks is a fucking travesty.
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I have only one thing to say: the fact that Bon Iver (a "band" that can't even spell its own goddamned name right) is mentioned in the same breath as The Jayhawks is a fucking travesty.
They should have had you write the article, Andrew. That article was poorly edited, and really just a bunch of hooey. Why the Trib needed to go into something that's rather private is, sadly, what sells papers, but gosh, they could have focused on the re-issues, the exiting new tour, and left the sour grapes on the side of the plate...
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Sad to hear this really... nothing we can do though

at least we got that tour and album!
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There's two sides to every story, and only one person is talking in this article.

Regardless, I don't really want to see this kind of dirty laundry aired in public. I don't think fans need to know about it. Personally, I don't want to know about it. I just want to enjoy the music.
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So many bands, friendships and relationships end this way. Sad to see nonetheless. Pretty raw. With such an intertwined history, I hope they can find a way to make it good.
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There's two sides to every story, and only one person is talking in this article.

Regardless, I don't really want to see this kind of dirty laundry aired in public. I don't think fans need to know about it. Personally, I don't want to know about it. I just want to enjoy the music.
totally with you. it doesn't do anyone good (them or us) to have this aired like this.
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Reminds me a bit of the Crowes and Marc Ford. Very sad to see it go down this way but grateful they got another crack at it, despite the ending.
But yeah, that was a tough read. Have no problem with the Strib running it though. With the accusations Mark threw out, on the record i assume, you have to run that.
Clearly Mark wanted to vent publicly. Mission accomplished.
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This truly is sad. I like both Mark and Gary's music. The Jayhawks are great, whether it's music from the SOL to RDM era, or the Mark era, or whatever. I appreciate their "Americana" output, along with their Rock/Pop/experimental stuff.

But it's just too bad that Gary and Mark couldn't work things out. I haven't looked at this board since I don't know when. I'm just seeing all this now, and it's bumming me out, reading about all the bad feelings etc.

IMHO, some (though not all) of the best Jayhawks stuff happened when the Gary and Mark vibe merged together - so now that will most likely never happen again.

I will buy Mark's new album "Good-bye Lizelle." I have a feeling that will be a real treat to hear. I will also pick up any new Jayhawks album (if that ever happens again) with the newer lineup.

Mark and Gary, maybe you can work things out again! Never say never, dudes! OK? I'm available as a mediator if you ever want to talk it out.
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maybe this is repeated content, but it looked to have slightly different content so I am posting the link.

WHAT. A. MESS is right !!!

http://www.postbulletin.com/entertai...d3a0a5bd5.html


"Louris declined to comment on specifics for this article. For Jayhawks fans, the clear news is this: The co-leaders of the band that Rolling Stone heralded as "Minnesotan to the bone" will almost certainly never perform or record together again."

"I don't ever want to see Gary Louris again, nor do I want him singing my songs," said Olson, who claims that Louris promised not to tour as the Jayhawks without him, a pre-condition to their 2011-2012 reunion"
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WHAT. A. MESS is right !!!

"I don't ever want to see Gary Louris again, nor do I want him singing my songs," said Olson, who claims that Louris promised not to tour as the Jayhawks without him, a pre-condition to their 2011-2012 reunion"
So just to recap: Guy quits band. Remaining members of the band carry on without him - to greater success, mind you, than they had when said guy was in the band - and guy grouses that they shouldn't have continued to call themselves by their name. Guy runs into money troubles and begs to be let back into said band. Band lets him back in, but his "precondition" for his supplication being accepted is that he gets what he wanted in the first place and band doesn't get to call themselves by their name without him. Guy quits band again and grouses with further vitriol in the press about not getting what he wants.

Some classy shit going on here.

I'll be very happy seeing THE JAYHAWKS at the Turf Club this Thursday, is about all I can say.
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when the guy who:

1. founded the band

2. named it

3. wrote most of the songs

...asks for someone to not use the name, it's probably time to move on, respectfully.


It just doesn't look good. The post-Olson years don't seem to appeal to anyone below 45, and they're playing shows to 20 people at a rehab clinic.

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when the guy who:

1. founded the band

2. named it

3. wrote most of the songs

...asks for someone to not use the name, it's probably time to move on, respectfully.


It just doesn't look good. The post-Olson years don't seem to appeal to anyone below 45, and they're playing shows to 20 people at a rehab clinic.
1) Haven't you got somewhere else to bang out your one note? Pathetic.
2) Since when is great music only the purview of the young?
3) Why does founding or naming a band give you special power? Syd Barrett founded and named Pink Floyd - should they have quit after the acid fried his brain? William S. Burroughs supplied the name for Steely Dan - should he have had creative control?
4) I'm sure there'll be about 20 people at each of their TC gigs this week <rolleyes>
5) Most of the songs - and almost all of the good ones during the Olson era - are co-writes, and almost half of the band's output doesn't include Olson.
6) Only one person is coming off like an asshole in this story, and it ain't Louris or Perlman.
7) Stop being such a goddamned moron. Oh...wait...
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I am super happy that that fucker is no longer a part of the great band The Jayhawks.

He may be the worst singer in the history of the world. And I say that fully knowing that I've heard Axe sing.

Rock on Real Jayhawks, rock on.
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Some reactions to this article, and also the posts here:

- For the Jayhawks, that's a lot of dirty laundry in the press. Wow! I wonder if that was pre-cleanup Gary, and if it was, I wonder if now-clean Gary has any regrets. Maybe he does; maybe he doesn't!

- That said, Mark would have been better off keeping his mouth shut. He does himself no favors by airing this out, and the grapes are bitter...

- Kinda fun to see the old sides take shape on this board once again! For me, the board was the most fun before Mark came back - but then again, so was the band. When Mark returned, things got uncomfortable, since all the people here who preferred the band without him had to watch their step; the Mark-lovers emerged.

- Having said that, the relatively brief Mark II era did not lead to great success for the band - and it certainly didn't lead to an exciting era on this board. The shows were well received, but a ton of people here missed the dynamics and many of the songs from the SoL era.

- The incarnation of the band currently touring is absolutely my favorite. I'm glad Mark is gone, and I'm thrilled that Kraig is out with them now.

- My hope is that the Jayhawks will continue to make music live, in the studio, etc., and enjoy some degree of success.

That's all I've got! Fun stuff...

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